Gillibrand Claims Only Women Can Save America From Trump

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) claims women “will feel called as to this moment” to pursure the 2020 presidential primaries to precent President Trump from “destroying the line between what is right and what is wrong.”

When questioned about a 2020 presidential run, Gillibrand said, “Well for me it’s really a moral question. I am concerned about all the hate that President Trump has put into this community, into the country, the divisiveness, and I really felt called to fight back as hard as I possibly can to restore that integrity, that moral compass, the truth of who we are as Americans. We have always cared about one other. We’ve always believed in the golden rule. And so, for me, I’m just going to think long and hard about whether that’s something I need to do and each  one of us will decide what to do in the months ahead about how best to fight against what’s wrong and move this country in a better direction.”

She was then asked about a potential 2020 Hillary Clinton run, Gillibrand stated, “I think Secretary Clinton will make her on decision based on what she wants to do and what vision she wants to share with America. I think there are many women that will look at what President Trump has done to this country, dividing us, tearing us apart really at the seems and destroying the line between what is right and what is wrong. I think women will feel called as to this moment as to whether they need to run to share their vision for America.”

She continued, “The fact that we don’t have a national paid leave plan in this country, the only industrialized country in the world that doesn’t have it, we don’t have affordable health care or pre K, these are impediments for the country to grow. You need to fix basic parameters that would overwhelmingly help parents. Women want equal pay for equal work. These are real issues of moral conscience, and the reason we should be fighting for them is because we care about one another. That’s what’s been lost under President Trump; this notion that I should care about your child as much as I care about my own child. We should care about each American’s children as much as we care about our own. Until we restore that basic  moral compass as I said earlier, you will not understand why health care is a right and not a privilege is so important and why people should have access to good early childhood education and public school, why we should fight for full employment, not just employment for some.”

  • Patrick Feeney

    Trump is “Destroying what is right and wrong” ? Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) why do you think it’s okay to kill babies?

    • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

      Or is it right to advocate open borders,

      to advocate denying freedom of speech to the opposition,

      to force people of faith to abandon their moral convictions,

      to allow criminals to go free and commit more crimes,

      to engage in massive voter fraud,

      to call for the end of the rule of law,

      to call for a free enterprise economy without unnecessary government interference,

      to call for an effective end to the Bill of Rights,

      to call for democratic mobocracy,

      to call for the elimination of references to God in the public square,

      or to call for violence against the opposition?

      • Rod

        It’s only wrong if it’s directed at demonrats. Our President is trying to steer this ship of state back on its true course. He hasn’t been given a chance to fulfill any of his desires since being elected because the demonrats knew Hillary was going to be elected. I guess the demonrats didn’t get to push as many felonious ballots for her as they are in Florida.

        • Estell Newton

          He’s a democrat trying to convince people he’s a democrat.

          • Rod

            Who, Enrique?

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            Rodney, the TEA party Movement of course! Now really, are you that dense that the policies I listed are the goals of the socialist Democrat Party? Do I need to list the Democrat luminaries who’ve endorsed such stands? Or are you going to believe the prevaricator Estell?

          • Rod

            I was on a fishing expedition to draw her out. I understand everything you mentioned. I’m in your corner my friend.

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            My apologies for the harsh comment. Sadly, Estell is a far alt-right true believer who thinks that if one stands up for the Constitution and the Bible that makes them a perverted Democrat.

            She favors Ed’s approach of having a bunch of yahoos on the border with M-60s mowing down men women and children. I favor having the border Patrol and US troops on the border using non-lethal means if at all possible. I guess this retired veteran who’s seen enough dead bodies is just a wimpy snowflake.

          • Rod

            I’m also a retired vet, Vietnam, Desert Storm, & Iraqi Freedom. I hadn’t seen any dead bodie, Air Force, but I would like a peaceful resolution to this problem.
            I retired in 2004.

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            My, you’re just a young whipper snapper. I retired from the AF in 88, most of it as a crew member in reconnaissance aircraft. Most of the dead I saw in a ME’s lab I worked in during my college years. My father was a pathologist so I got “drafted” in his lab.

          • Rod

            Yeah, I guess I’m you doing @ 69. Went into the AF in 69 fresh out of nigh school. Served in the Security Police. Got discharged in 73 & went back into the Army Guard for 2 years the learned the error of my ways & switched to the Air Guard out of Oregon. Little did I know I would get activated for Desert Storm. Then got activated again for Iraqi Freedom. Enjoyed most of my time in.

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            Sounds like an exciting career. I spent most of my career as a “naviguesser” on RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft after a year on KC-135 tankers in Thailand, Guam, and in the states. Spent a year in S. Korea as a command post controller and a few years in Command and Support C-135s.

            I got to see a lot of Europe and Asia. Sadly, Europe isn’t what it used to be due to the socialists. England, which gave us our rights through the Magna Carta and the English Bill of Rights, seems to have given up on very important basic rights as the Democrats here would have us do.

          • Rod

            Yes, people are so willing to give up their rights & freedoms for a free meal. That is about what it amounts to, but someone has to pay the price. It’s not a very long road to perdition.

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            The Founders were fearful that we could lose our freedoms in a generation for good reason.

          • Rod

            That also sounds like an illustrious career.

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            Exciting at times at the very least.

          • Rod

            Seems like it would be. When I was in Vietnam the Army was looking to recruit helicopter pilots from the Air Force. I almost did.

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            After I tried to kill myself and my instructor in jet training the AF decided I’d be safer as a navigator. But later they offered us navs training as helicopter pilots. But my wife put her foot down as the survival rate in Vietnam wasn’t that good.

            Still, I miss seeing Soviet, Chinese, and Cuban fighters off my wing by about 50 feet or less when I was in RC-135s.

          • Rod

            That is the main reason I didn’t cross over. I would have been eligible for a good civilian job if I had done it & survived though. Life flight is a very good civilian career.

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            The operative word is “survived.” 😉

          • Rod

            Yes, and we both did that. I’m glad. I have a new friend. 😊

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            Thanks. I still miss flying, real flying, not being in the back of a cattle car, but don’t want too much excitement like the Navy when an EP-3 and a Chinese fighter collided in mid-air in 2001,

          • RosaryVictory

            Even before the Magna Carta, our Fifth Amendment may be found in Isaiah 50: 8-9. If read very carefully, our Constitution may be found in Isaiah and in Jeremiah. These prophets were in contact with their innerselves. “the Laws of Nature and Nature’s God” (Declaration) are innate in every human being brought into existence through heterosexual procreation.
            I am frightened by the fact that “self-defense” is no longer a plea in a court of law in Britain, thus obliterating a basic human right. The human right to self-defense not only of body but of soul (read gay marriage cakes); the right to prohibit evil people from entering into our personal space for evil purposes. Guns have been prohibited in Britain causing murder through stabbings to increase fourfold. God save America

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            The very foundations of the Declaration, the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution, the Magna Carta, the English Bill of Rights and even all of Western Civilization can be found in the principles of the Bible. Sadly, much of Europe is abandoning those principles for liberal humanism and as a consequence are susceptible dhimmis in their own countries.

            If we want God to save America, and even Europe, then we need to heed 2 Chronicles 7:14, “If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from
            heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land” and have a national revival.

          • RosaryVictory

            “Unless you honor me, I will make of you a foolish nation a no people” Ezekiel 10. I believe that we are already a “foolish nation” a “no people”. 65 million aborted, same sex “marriage” Denial of the rational, immortal, human soul is the imposition of atheism on the people by the government.

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            That’s sad but very true.

          • Rod

            Thank you for your service sir.

          • Rod

            Patrick for sure.

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            Estell is a prevaricator and would be butcher, not an American patriot..

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            Rod, I was adding to Patrick’s list of what the Democrats believe in.

      • Estell Newton

        You seem to be an expert of twisting everything around to look like what’s right is wrong and what’s wrong is right. You twist around everything people say in here and actually have the odacity to twist the Bible around to suit suit your perverted mind.

        • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

          In your arrogance you fall back on the lame and inane argument that because I’ve proven you wrong a number of times that I claim to be an expert. I doubt you have the courage or integrity to name one thing I said that was perverted. Where have I said what’s right is wrong and what’s wrong is right? Do you have the courage to be specific? I highly doubt it.

          But please, once again prove me wrong. Name any one of the points I mentioned in response to Patrick’s criticism of Sen. Gillibrand and by implication of the Democrats that ARE NOT part and parcel of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY’s policies, doctrines, and/or actions. PLEASE, name just one and prove it rather than be a prevaricator.

          So please quite being a prevaricator and a caitiff. You don’t care about the Bible. Also, as I told Rod, I don’t believe you’re an American patriot.

    • She doesn’t…but she she certainly believes no one has a right to impose their beliefs on a woman’s own body…No entity whether government or individual has that right to infringe on one’s most personal decision. Secondly, it is Republicans that feel it is OK to actually kill babies by insisting once that baby from poor parents is born, but needs immediate medical attention or it will die, good luck with that, for Republicans feel healthcare is a privilege and not a right…

      • Ex democrat

        Texan,
        If you feel healthcare is a “right”, why didn’t YOU go to med school?
        Why didn’t YOU sacrifice 15 years of your life to study medicine?
        In order for something to be a “right”, means you or someone else has to pay for it. It’s not free either by money or sacrifice. Other people must sacrifice THEIR time, money and other resource just so YOU have a “right”???? I don’t think so!
        Oh, and by the way, sure republicans want babies from poor families to die, you phucking putz!
        Your turn, jackeagon….

        • Behave yourself and mind your manners, Ex

          • Ex democrat

            In other words, you realize I’m right.
            Correct….?

          • Absolutely not, cowpunch…

            We need to take care of the vulnerable period. Living in the land of the richest nation ever, just because that baby was born with a medical condition that it would die without immediate surgery, but the parents are too poor to afford the outrageous health insurance costs, I don’t care how much the good doctor’s pay is for his effort in “money or sacrifice” that infant has every right to be saved and live.

            I’m from West Texas, grew up with the understanding that no matter who they are, if they need a helping hand, you’d better be the first one in line to give out your hand with no questions asked. And yes, Republicans disdain social healthcare for those that can’t afford the ungodly costs of hospitalization and prescriptions, even though I’m quite sure they have a family member or friend caught-up in that situation. Republicans actually root for the insurers and drug companies over their own selves. Ya keep voting into office Republican politicians that push the policies and legislation written by health insurers and pharmaceutical lobbyists.

            I’m no Dem, but I am certainly no Republican, just Independent, but one redneck liberal one at that.

            For your second reply, do appreciate the manner in which ya to chose to write in. Makes for better debating when it doesn’t revert to spewing out garbage trash talk of third grader liking, when we’re supposed to be reasoned adults

          • Ex democrat

            Oh my Texan,
            Listen to the self-righteous one and the talking points of the left. Who says we shouldn’t take care of the vulnerable? We do take care of them!
            There are upwards of 100 local, state and federal programs that have spent close to 20 TRILLION dollars of your tax money since LBJ’s “War on Poverty” to help the vulnerable.
            And, we must create wealth to support those programs. Wealth created by hard working people like you!
            You bring up a point of we are “living in a land of the richest nation ever”. Do you think those “riches” just fell in America’s lap? How did we become the richest nation ever? By magic? No…!
            We became the richest ever by free a enterprise system. By capitalism. Something we hear you libs ridicule as “unfair”. Something you REgressives want to destroy.
            No one GAVE us our wealth. The glory of our great nation and our founding “White slave owners” had the vision to create.
            Show me how republicans push policies of the drug companies, insurance companies and pharmaceutical lobbyists. Just more phony blabbering, huhhhh?
            And by the way. No child in the U.S. with a medical condition will die because of a lack of immediate surgery. More unfounded blabbering.
            And I’ll ask again, why didn’t YOU become a doctor if you’re so concerned? Don’t we need doctors for people, any person, rich or poor, to have a “right” to healthcare?
            So go ahead. Apply to med school this Monday! Show us how much you really care! Show us how willing YOU are to spend 15 years studying medicine so others have a “right” to your labor and intellectual property.

          • Ex, get off your kick of self righteousness, there are plenty of rights in a free country, but they are not certainly deemed self righteous. When ya hop on a plane with your children ya have a right to expect that plane to be mechanically sound; that surely doesn’t make one self righteous. If ya buy a new car and it breaks down on ya the minute ya drive off the lot, ya definitely have a right to complain and have it fixed or given another; that doesn’t make one self righteous it makes a system fair.

            You seem to have a problem with doctors’ pay. The U.S. is the only free western industrialized nation to not offer free healthcare. Do you think that doctors in the other countries don’t receive above pay. Indeed they do. And don’t say, well America has the best health system in the world and that is why doctors and patients from all over come here to practice or have surgery. It is no longer like that. Out of 11 westernized countries, the U.S. ranks last in access, equity and Health Care Outcomes, while next to last in Administrative Efficiency. More than ever now, Americans that can afford are going to other countries to have their surgeries because it is so much cheaper but with the same or better quality of care.

            The ACA according to the CBO was saving tax dollar money and if it was improved with corrected insertions instead of Republican deletions and attacks, it would save even more.

            That is what Obamacare (ACA) did, it allowed folks to be able to afford their health insurance and not be wholly dependent on tax dollars that are not specifically governed to be allocated to pay hospital expenses anyway in the traditional system the U.S. had. The number one cause of U.S. bankruptcies by individuals is health costs.

            Capitalism is good in a free enterprise but in America’s extreme capitalism, it’s gone too far. Look, when we have 84% of America’s entire wealth in the hands of only 5% of the population where the 92% pick up the crumbs that is not democracy that is an oligarchy.

            Rightwingers attack the poor instead of poverty. Name me one successful democratic nation that does not have public social policies that benefits the general citizenry. Name one. Society is rooted from the word social, it means to share. so if ya live in a society expect to share; if not then quit mooching off it, take all your belongings and what money ya have, find a nice mountaintop somewhere and revel up there all ya want with only your stuff.

          • Ex democrat

            Texan,
            When your car breaks down you have a right to complain because you PAID for it. You paid for the service to have it fixed. However, if you don’t pay for it, you HAVE no right! Get it?
            No where in the world is medical care FREE. Someone paid for it, whether through taxation, insurance purchasing or out of your pocket.
            Nowhere did I say anything about a doctor’s pay. I argued that someone has to BECOME a doctor and spend their time and energy to become a doctor.
            You’re relying on someone else just because you think you have a “right” to what they are offering????
            Give me a break!

          • No, chances are ya haven’t paid for it period, but took out a loan and the only reason ya have a right to get it fixed is because of that dreaded socialistic government regulatory requirement that car dealerships must be held accountable for any breakdowns in new cars for the first year or so.

            That’s right nowhere is healthcare free and that is why single payer is the best route because at least it saves taxpayer dollars. So ya want to talk about cost…

            That Koch backed study by the Mercatus Institute showed that Medicare for All would cost the government $32.6 trillion over the next decade, but when compared to our current system of premiums, co-pays, prescriptions and emergency care costs it would save the U.S. taxpayer $2.446 trillion with the tremendous benefit that all would be covered for medical, dental, vision and audiology.

            So a doctor spends all that time learning his craft. Good for them, but as well, so does the mechanic put in his time to learn new automotive technologies and so does the microbiologist that ensures your tap water is safe to drink and cook with, so what is your point…

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            To one redneck liberal, socialism doesn’t work well.

            By the way, most babies born with a medical condition that they would die without immediate surgery do get that medical care. And Republicans don’t object to that. But many on the left do, believing the costs could be better spent on wellness care for more people.

          • First off, Roberto, appreciate much your rapport, but I indeed do disagree with you. Infant mortality rates (IMR) in 2013 was in line with Croatia ranked at 51 and was 6 deaths per 1000 which is double greater than in Scandinavian countries. The primary cause of U.S. infant mortality deaths is due to postneonatal mortality and that is due to the lack of affordability in health insurance. For the U.S., this deals in demographics. Where there are strong unions that provide employees with quality insurance as in the Northeast, or in wealthier regions, the infant mortality rate is low and can be compared more to Austria which is at 3 per 1000. But in poorer sections of the U.S. IMR in some regions quadruples the Northeast. This is all due to lack of quality affordable healthcare. Check out the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and link to their birth and infant death files.

          • Ex democrat

            So Texan,
            Why didn’t you become a doctor? You could have helped out instead of sitting behind your computer and blabber about it. You and that phony Sanders have the answer. Don’t you, phony?

          • Ex democrat

            Texan,
            Define “quality affordable” healthcare.

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            There’re a lot of factors that go into the reasons for infant mortality causes. In the US, the infant mortality rate for blacks is 2 to 3 times the rate of whites depending on the state. But is it all due to lack of “affordable healthcare” available to blacks? I don’t think so.

            What are the major causes of infant mortality? The 3 leading causes, congenital malformations, disorders related to short gestation and low birthweight, and sudden infant death syndrome accounted for approximately 43% of all infant deaths in the United States in 2005. Could some of the problems be too young of girls in poor nutritional health using recreational drugs be part of the problem?

            By the way, I’m a firm believer in prenatal healthcare. And that starts when a girl becomes able to get pregnant.

          • D.M.S.

            You may not be a democrat but you’re a liberal puke and that’s just as bad.
            But you are right republicans aren’t any better than demoncrats.

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            No, he means that personal attacks are uncalled for, certainly for true Christians and patriots.

          • Ex democrat

            Roberto ,
            Funny how some look at showing how wrong people are and winning an argument is considered a personal attack.
            Isn’t it?

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            I don’t consider, “you phucking putz! Your turn, jackeagon, ” funny. But maybe you don’t consider that a personal attack.

          • Ex democrat

            You got it, Roberto!

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            So you don’t consider it a personal attack? What would be a personal attack, online of course, not like an Antifa progressive beating of conservatives. 😉

          • Ex democrat

            Roborto,
            I don’t consider anything on-line from someone I don’t know and could give a apcray (pig Latin) about as a “personal attack”.

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            In other words you’re a caitiff and a cad. I understand.

          • Ex democrat

            Correct.
            And secure in my own skin.
            Unlike the schmucks on the left.
            Your turn….

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            You need to become a mensch. Maybe a Saul type experience would help.

          • Ex democrat

            I’m quite the mensch!
            Do much volunteer and charity work.
            Pay my employees quite well in addition to paying ALL their health insurance premiums.
            Do you define that as being a mensch?
            Your turn….

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            Being a mensch includes how you react even anonymously. As I said maybe a Saul type experience would help you.

      • Estell Newton

        god will judge you according to your beli8efs. Abortion is murder according to God. And you WILL have to answer to him

        • Estell…God was the first abortionist. According to the beginning, life does not come into being until the first breath in Genesis 2:7. The quote: “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” This Genesis verse is also corroborated in Job 33:4, Ecclesiastes 11:5 and Ezekiel 37:1-10.

          One cannot claim biblical sanction for the termination of a fetus, for it’s not equivalent to a human being’s death. In Exodus 21:22-23, if a man caused the miscarriage of a fetus he was only to be fined, but if the woman died from it, he was to be executed.

          God avows abortion, among other devious acts such as infanticide, in Hosea 9:11-16 and further, in Hosea 13:16. In these verses, abortion, as commanded by God, was to be performed by the slashing open of the wombs in pregnant women with a sword. The 16th Israeli ruler, King Menahem in II Kings 15:16 ripped open pregnant women in the city of Tappuah and he never was admonished by God, much less punished.

          In Genesis 38:24-26, when Judah found out that his daughter-in-law, Tamar, the widow of his deceased son, was pregnant, he ordered her and the unborn one inside her to be burned, for he thought it to be a result of prostitution. He reneges on carrying out the torching only after he discovers that it was he who actually got her pregnant

          • RosaryVictory

            God created our first parents Adam and Eve, married them and gave them the power to procreate the rest of humankind. There was no life in the dust from which God made man. God gave the dust life by breathing life into the dust. Life is the sign of the rational, immortal human soul infused at fertilization of the egg by the sperm. Scientific DNA proves that a new person, a new sovereign person is procreated at fertilization.
            Roe v. Wade never bore the burden of proof necessary for the decision to be Justice, that the newly begotten human being in existence in the womb was not a sovereign person.
            In any event, Roe v. Wade was passed to force the citizens to pay for abortion. Denying the rational, immortal human soul is imposing atheism on the people by the government, a violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            Your attempt to justify abortion on Biblical grounds is erroneous

            You claim Exodus 21:22-23 implies the life of a fetus is not in the same qualitative category as that of its pregnant mother.

            This is a common rationalization of those who seek some biblical justification for the practice of abortion. It’s without merit. The passage in the book of Exodus reads as follows.

            “And if men strive together, and hurt a pregnant woman, so that her fruit [children] come out, and yet no harm follows; the one who hit her shall surely be fined, according as the woman’s husband shall impose upon him; and he shall pay a fine as the judges determine. But if any harm follows, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth” (Exodus 21:22-23).

            So, if 2 men are fighting, and the struggle injures a pregnant woman so that she miscarries, a monetary fine may be imposed to compensate for the death of the fetus. This infraction, however, was not viewed as a capital case. It’s then contended the implication is the fetus was not a human being with rights comparable to an adult person.The position is false, because it’s based on a misunderstanding of what the text actually says.

            We must observe, though, some translations have given credence to this erroneous viewpoint by rendering the word “depart” as miscarriage. The RSV reads: “When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage”

            However, there’s absolutely no evidence that a dead fetus is under consideration in this passage. The fact is, the Hebrew language has a term (shachol) that denotes an abortion or miscarriage (see 2 Kgs. 2:21; Hos. 9:14). But that word is not employed in this context. This passage deals with a premature birth, not an aborted fetus.

            The Hebrew word rendered “depart” is yasa, basically meaning “to go (come) out.” Though the word has a wide variety of uses in the OT, it is frequently employed of an ordinary birth.

            God told Jeremiah, “before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you” (Jer. 1:5). In Exodus 21:22 the verb is used “of untimely birth” or of “premature birth”.

            Noted Hebrew scholar Walter C. Kaiser, Jr. has observed that it’s a “gross error” either by translation or by means of commentary to argue that a miscarriage is suggested in this passage.

            In an excellent article which discusses this passage at length, Jack W. Cottrell, a professor of theology at the Cincinnati Bible Seminary, declared: “There is absolutely no linguistic justification for translating verse 22 to refer to a miscarriage”

            A 2nd factor to be given consideration in this text is the use of the word “fruit.” The term derives from the Hebrew yeled, which is a “child.” In this instance the word is plural, “children,” which likely is calculated to cover multiple births or perhaps both sexes.’

            In Genesis 21:8, Moses wrote regarding Isaac: “And the child grew, and was weaned.” Is there any question but that Isaac was an actual person at this time? Dr. Kaiser thus notes: “The use of the term ‘child’ makes it clear that a human being is in view here”

            What, then, is the passage teaching? If 2 fighting men injure a pregnant woman, causing her to give premature birth and no harm follows to either mother or child, a fine will be levied as a penalty for such carelessness.

            However, if any harm followed to mother or babe, justice was to be meted out commensurate with degree of damage. Both the mother and unborn child had equal protection under the law.

            We must, therefore, protest the use of Exodus 21:22-23 as a proof-text for the support of abortion. Alan Cole observed: “It’s sometimes been claimed by those in favor of abortion that the unborn child is not really considered as an individual here: but that’s not the point of this passage. The destruction of the unborn child was regarded by the Hebrews as an instance of the most barbarous cruelty, calling down God’s judgment (2 Kings 15:16)”

            Again, as professor John Hannah observed: “the unborn fetus is viewed in this passage as just as much a human being as its mother; the abortion of a fetus was considered murder”

            Of the wicked Menahem who became king of Israel, an inspired OT writer states that he “ripped up” women that were with child (2 Kgs. 15:16), an act which God abhorred.

            See https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/786-does-exodus-21-sanction-abortion for the full article.

            As for 2 Kings 15:16 it’ about history. Histories are facts. Menahem did invaded Tiphsah, really attacked the city of Tapuah. and killed almost everyone in it.

            What’s the purpose of the Scripture? It’s not to tell us “look, God allowed abortion!”. It’s to tell us because of disobedience and sins against Lord, the King allowed the destruction himself. From 2 King 15: 1 – 11, all the Scriptures tell of the disobedience of the Kings but God still being patient and keeping his promise. 2 King 15: 12 – Your descendants down to 4th generation will be Kings of Israel. Despite how wicked are the kings, God is still being patient. After that he punishes them by not protecting them anymore. And destruction happened.

            See https://forums.catholic.com/t/is-the-bible-god-pro-life/171530 for full article.

          • D.M.S.

            2 Kings 15:17-18.
            Menahem the son of Gadi became king over Israel and reigned 10 years in Samaria. 18. And he did evil in the sight of the Lord; he did not depart all of his days from the sins of Jaroboam the son of Nebat, who had made Israel sin.
            How do you know?
            Are you sure that King Menahem isn’t in hell?

      • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

        Good try at socialist talking points but no cigar. Progressives in many countries believe it OK to even kill children whom they consider unworthy of life or too expensive to care for under overburdened socialized medicine.

        • Rod

          Sounds like a Planned Parenthood add.

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            Unfortunately.

        • D.M.S.

          Were on our way to treating our senior citizens the same way.
          Unless they have lots of money.

          • Roberto Enrique Benitez II

            You’re right to mention that. It can be the unborn, children with problems, the infirm or disabled, and the elderly. I seem to remember such was practiced in the late 30s and early 40s in Germany.

      • D.M.S.

        No one has the right to kill a child in the womb for any reason.

        • Then talk to your god about it who had plenty of pregnant women killed…

          • D.M.S.

            God is “ NOT “ a body.
            He is a Creator.

          • Sure…for after all, the Bible does portend that life doesn’t come in until ya take that first breath of life…which actually says life begins with the first breath and not conception…

          • D.M.S.

            God also states that He has seen us in the womb.
            We are alive then as well.
            Jeremiah 1:5
            Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;
            Before you were born I sanctified you;

          • Well, DMS, god was referring to Jeremiah personally, but nonetheless, since the Bible is a book of contrast, I guess we can pick and choose which contrast holds more merit…

          • D.M.S.

            No the Bible is 100% truth.
            When God sees Jeremiah in the womb. God sees all of His children in the womb.

          • Then DMS, I guess with all the statements in the Bible about executing a disobedient child should therefore be mandatory, huh…

          • D.M.S.

            That covenant changed under accepting Christ Jesus as our Savior.
            The Israelites are still under that covenant because they haven’t accepted Christ Jesus as their Savior and all of His teachings.
            You must be an atheist, since you can’t seem to comprehend the difference.

          • There is no covenant or anything else biblical that claims to have changed that…if so, then gaydom as you claim is…is not a sin…

          • D.M.S.

            Yes gaydom is still a sin.
            Because homosexuality is stated again in the New Testament in Romans as a sin.

          • Where at exactly in Romans, for Jesus in Matt. 8: 5-13/Luke 7: 1-10 saves a roman centurion’s boy servant in which was actually the boy toy of the centurion’s (homosexual) in Greek Koine which was what the first scriptures were written in. So, it appears in not chastising but aiding the centurion’s boy servant, Jesus actually accepted their bond…

          • D.M.S.

            Nowhere in scripture does it state that, that centurion is homosexual.
            It’s only assumed, which doesn’t make it a fact.
            Romans 1:18-31.

            Would Christ Jesus heal someone that He has stated is an Abomination unto Him?
            As He stated in Leviticus 18:22 and
            20:13. NKJV

          • Yes. Jesus most certainly would…

          • D.M.S.

            No He would not go against His own doctrine. That He made in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13. Along with His doctrine in Romans 1:18-31.

          • D.M.S.

            No He would not go against His own Doctrine.
            Men having sex with with men is an abomination unto Him.

          • D.M.S.

            You must think that the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament are a different God in each.
            Don’t you?

          • D.M.S.

            The word ‘ Pais ‘ can mean a sexual or non-sexual child or man slave.
            Since God/Jesus condemns homosexuality. Then Christ Jesus would have known that it was of a non-sexual nature of the Pais.

          • No…since the centurion loved the pais so, Jesus knew exactly what the situation was…

          • D.M.S.

            That doesn’t prove anything.
            I love my brothers in Christ Jesus.
            And I pray that our Lord Jesus will take care of.
            But I don’t want to have sexual relations with any of them.
            Love “ DOES NOT “ equate sexual relations.

          • Jesus may not have wanted sex period either, but the homosexual relationship did not interfere with him aiding the pais either…

          • D.M.S.

            You cannot prove that the Pais was sexual in any form.
            Only your satanic loving brain believes it to be true.
            And that says it all.

          • …And that is all ya have with your opinion…your own belief, but in my opinion, at least I have some historical reference.

            Ya see how ya judge and condemn…that’s why you’re going to Hell..you believe in Satan…I don’t…

          • D.M.S.

            😊

          • Why are you calling all the other religions liars…

          • D.M.S.

            Oh that’s easy.
            There is “ ONLY ONE “!
            God/Jesus/ HolySpirit Only.

            All others are “ LIARS “ they don’t exist in reality.

          • D.M.S.

            You have no historical reference, all you have is Mankinds immoral lies.

          • …and really, with only self opinionated beliefs…what do you have besides false beliefs…

          • D.M.S.

            All of God/Jesus scripture 🙂

          • Good for you…follow Jesus and his good intended words, but if you are not and blindly following this most narcissistic prez while rooting for him and his bigoted immigration policies, then you are a false Christian as Jesus had nothing to do with borders and that is most likely why you are going to Hell…a false Jesus Christ follower seeking only your own self serving platitude and political cowardice in attempting to blend religion with government…

          • D.M.S.

            God/Jesus puts everyone that’s in power, into the office that they’re in and that’s straight from scripture.
            God/Jesus put Trump into office, just as much as He put Obama into office.

          • Okay, if ya say so…but I thought that it was the voter who did so. Anyway, good luck with that in stating god put Kim Jung-un into power or, even Hitler…

          • D.M.S.

            Yes God/Jesus did put Kim Jung-un, Hitler, Stalin, the Saudi Prince, King Henry, Napoleon, Obama, Clinton, Truman, Trump, etc; in power. For God/Jesus purpose not for our purpose.

          • D.M.S.

            And you’re disregarding scripture and grandizing homosexuality that’s against God/Jesus.
            Please show me the scripture about our borders.
            Scripture also states that we are to obey our government officials.

          • D.M.S.

            God/Jesus and help their glory triumph…..

          • See how ya are, D.M.S.; ya totally ignore and fly over in what it truly means in being a Christian by following Jesus’ love for all in erasing borders.

            Those blinders you’re wearing are just too tight to see anything in your narrowed vision…just one lost soul swimming in a fish bowl year after year…cannot live for you’re too worried about what happens being dead…

          • D.M.S.

            No. The blind one here is you. The borders don’t matter.
            Whatever does happen with the borders, the Lord had it come out that way for His purpose.
            I serve our Lord Christ Jesus.

          • You serve yourself…

          • D.M.S.

            It’s obvious that you serve yourself only.
            God/Jesus is nowhere in your life.
            Your master is Satan only.
            You don’t like anything about God/Jesus scripture because it convicts you of your sins. And you don’t want to face your sins.
            You think that you can hide from God/Jesus. You can’t, nobody can hide from Him.

          • I do not believe in any Satan…whether it is a man, female, man-made or otherwise, but you do and that is why you’re taking a long, long vacation here in Hell on Earth…

          • D.M.S.

            There is no hell on earth. Just the life we lead.
            We can’t fathom the hell that awaits those who disregard Christ Jesus salvation.

          • D.M.S.

            When Christ Jesus was on the cross. He stated ‘ it’s finished. The old covenant is gone.

            I am curious about one thing.
            Why are you people so dead set on spending your entire eternity in hell?

          • Are ya really so sure, because…
            Luke 23:34 says Jesus’ last words were, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.”
            Both Matthew and Mark say his last words were, “My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?

            As for your last statement…I’m not going to Hell, for I don’t much care for it, but in your judging of others, most likely that’s why you’re going to Hell…

          • D.M.S.

            Lol…. you judge everyone you come into contact with.
            Lol…. you don’t care for hell….lol.

          • Again, according to the other Gospels he did not say that as his last words..

          • D.M.S.

            Yes there were approximately 7. Statements that were recorded that our Lord Christ Jesus stated on the cross. Yes He did state, My Father, My Father, why have You forsaken Me.
            As He also stated; “ It is finished “ and He bowed His head and He gave up His spirit.

          • D.M.S.

            I have come one immutable conclusion about you.
            No part of Christ Jesus is in your heart or life, nowhere that I can see.

          • D.M.S.

            And where would this scripture be at.. …

  • GetReal4U2

    Trump IS putting America back on the correct moral compass…

    the liberals are in complete denial…

    TRUMP 2020!

  • Lori

    Gillibrand is Chuck’s puppet. No brains whatsoever and has done zero for New York, making big bucks in DC with no experience. Ran as conservative and drank the Kool aid and teamed up with LaRaza. Showed her stupidity during the debate and with all the voter fraud got reelected.

  • Lori

    What Gillibrand doesn’t seem to understand is,a lot of women want to see her,and others like her——–gonr!

  • George Reed

    Just another blonde headed dumb A bimbo.

  • Jmanjo

    Well, it won’t be her! She is too stupid and motor mouth. In fact, she is even dumber than Hillary

    • Gary Johnson

      she might be tied with killery but nobody is dumber than killery

  • Estell Newton

    Women are destroying the country NOT helping it. Women NEVER get over pms. People need to STOP voting race, color, sex, sexual orientation. Voting is supposed to be for the best qualified NOT the aforementioned.

  • Gary Johnson

    you are just as stupid as killery, you wouldnt know the truth if it bit you in the ass. this is a free country and we want to keep it that way all you dam o rats want is to turn this great country toward socialism. you dumb bi–h that statement about right and wrong, you dam o rats are the ones that dont want to follow the law, you keep pushing to see how far you can bend it, you dont like the constitution, the bill of rights, you aholes lie and cheat when ever you can, you try to steal elections( I think you all ready did, Arizona, Montana, california, you tried in Florida and Georgia). people like you that dont love this country should leave and take obummer, killery, soros, and all the dam o rats that are trying to destroy it. you have mobs like antifa and blm to help you bring down this country.. President Trump is our best bet to righting your wrong

  • Maggietish

    What is surprise that Gillibrand knows anything about morals because no neveoukd ever know that based on anything she’s done while in office. This woman trashed her own constituents on video so how stupid can she be. President Trump is the one who is making America great again and improving the lives of Americans. She is against building the border wall and supports open birders Irregardless of how detrimental it is to our country and we the people. She’s a big advocate and supporter of Planned Parenthood and abortion on demand of course all been paid for by the American taxpayers. She also supports sanctuary cities And crimes committed against the American from illegals. She is also against religious freedom. She knows Nothing about morals. Just another corrupt anti-American Democrats

  • Rabbit

    Just what I need is how to protect America coming from a woman who is in support of finding someone guilty before any evidence is secured. Hang them first Oh wait no evidence gee did I jump to a conclusion? Number one baby killer in Congress, Hey America I told you what the Dems have up their sleeves raise taxes, coming after the President, then the ones that voted will always say well I didn’t vote for that person. Democrats are all the same they want a socialistic government, more of your money and more broken promises! Imagine Godzilla brant with the button in her hand. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR JUST A SECOND

  • Calvin Harwick

    God is on every body’s side not just woman.Apparently some think they are Gods right hand “man”

  • Tony N.

    I am very sorry to say that this DUMB BITCH is my Senator….Along with Chuck “Where’s the camera” Schumer! These turds along with our IDIOT Governor need to be voted out!!! However, with all the libtards in NY, unfortunately it is impossible at this time.
    And these 3 STOOGES want to take OUR guns? Meanwhile, THEY are protected by the great NY State Police (under the jurisdiction of our retarded Governor).